"Yeah, no. On a hot day, fine droplets may evaporate before they can fall, so there is only rising air. No preview function. The witness heard the engine increase in sound and saw the nose lift shortly before the airplane struck the smokestack and descend to the rooftop.". It should also be noted that visibility was two miles just two minutes before the crash and 2.5 miles eight minutes after the crash. The MDA is 4560 with a TDZE of 4152; so 408 above with a requirement of 1 mile visibility. Loss of Control in Flight: Cessna 525C Citation CJ4, N614SB, fatal accident occurred . METAR:KBYI 131440Z AUTO 21008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN030 OVC047 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131410Z AUTO 19008KT 1SM -SN BR BKN023 OVC028 M03/M05 A2996Track:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220413/1300Z/KSLC/KBYI. Advertisement. Remember to embrace and treasure every moment, just as she did. If the plume broadly affected approaches, this wouldn't have been the first occurrence. It's very possible she could see the runway but wasn't seeing the smoke stack for various reasons, Perhaps was not following the flight director and passing weather unexpectedly started dropping heavier mist and snow just long enough to obscure visual.Here is the NEXRAD weather playback for the 1400 to 1500Z period, with BYI's location marked. This is from the elevation data in Google Earth, and visually looking from the runway appears to be in the ballpark, as the northeast bank of the river is higher than the runway. / 45.4288; 9.2545. Watching dockets and following up can reveal that as much as everyone hopes otherwise, pilot decision making really was the undoing.The CVR transcript has finally been placed in the docket for the November 30, 2019 crash of N56KJ in Chamberlain. We keep killing ourselves for mostly the same reasons. Minter was elected to the Santa Monica City Council in 1955 and served as mayor from 1963-1967. It is believed the plane was doing a flyover of the camp when the incident occurred. The "airport shouldn't be there"I'm reminded of the jet that took off in CT short runway. Steam has water vapor and is warm so it provides significantly less lift. Recently she appeared on Los Angeles television representing airport interests in a debate with the Airport Neighbors Association. &0183;&32;A 35-year-old Madison man died and a 23-year-old Madison man was injured in a two-vehicle accident on US 421 north of Madison Sunday night. But that's not our business to judge. I know this is an uncorrected altitude for temp/pressure so if you add the 50 to 100' as suggested above for correction, that would put the aircraft at about 4250' MSL. A Ninety-Nines newsletter described the judge's wife Doris's successful effort to keep SMO open back when she was on the commission. Recent Google Map views show a very sturdy tubular platform and ladder system was added around the stack sometime after 2016. "It's not a minimums bust if you have any of the required runway elements in sight before you descend. All messages must be civil in tone; if critical, must be constructive. Brittney had a special connection with her siblings and their children. The wings are normally the last structural component to collect ice. From the preliminary ntsb report:"According to a witness, located about one quarter mile away, he first heard, then observed the airplane descend out of the clouds then immediately went into a steam cloud, which was produced from a set of six smokestacks located on the same roof. (or the overcast). In lieu of flowers, the Infanger family is welcoming donations for a scholarship fund in Brittneys honor. The City is grateful for Mr. Minters public service and we join his family in mourning his passing, the city said in a news release. I will give the details below for others to replicate, but here are my conclusions:(1) If you start at 4800ft at JAMID, and then descend with a 3.75 degree angle from horizontal as advised on the published approach plate, you would clear the top of a 100' AGL stack by only *63 feet. Perhaps the pilot forgot them. )The record again, now with tolerance codes highlighted:16-036731 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 05.92N 113 45 34.15W STACK 1 00100 04256 R 4 D P 2016ANM01617OE A 2017285For stack 16-036731, code "D" means that the declared accuracy of the recorded vertical information in AGL and MSL is +/- 50 feet, which for a 100' stack is an absurdly large tolerance. Their downed aircraft was discovered shortly after 1:30 a.m. Monday in a wooded area in Williams, Arizona, according to a release prepared . Please stop commenting on things you don't even comprehend or until you bother to understand the known facts. Would have blended right in with the white sky. The POH manual in most light singles states that you don't deploy flaps during an engine out until your aim point can be confirmed to be made just as in regular landing configuration when powered. It was a 100% bound to happen eventuality.I'm heartbroken it happened to such a bright and lovely soul as Brittney. Ditching in a foot or two of water thats spilling onto the sand, as he appeared to do, is so much easier than ditching outside the breakers where you would encounter wave crests and troughs. Brittney was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and served a mission in Birmingham, England from 2015-2017. It can be hard to determine your altitude based on just the runway light, she probably had very few references visually to go by. 2021 Milan airplane crash. From accountability to safety? (Nobody commenting here so far has indicated that they looked closely and noticed the tolerance associated with specific obstruction records in the obstruction database, so it's time to shine a light on declared tolerances there. Your nonsense responses like "false" with zero explanation demonstrates that you have no actual idea what TERPS, an obstacle clearance surface, and approach minimums are. In addition, the publication notes that seat belts alone will only protect the occupant in very minor impacts and that using shoulder harnesses in small aircraft would reduce injuries by 88 percent and fatalities by 20 percent.". . @Cmor - Using 1 mile visibility was incorrect in your reply to that commenter.The 14:25Z AWOS report of 1 1/2SM visibility is displaced 5,260 feet toward the aircraft by the time the aircraft came into view of the camera at Gem more than 7 minutes later at 14:32:25 if you are applying the 7 knot wind as positional displacement downwind based on time elapsed after individual AWOS condition reports.1425Z AUTO 20008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028AWOS shows 1SM, 1 1/2SM, 2SM visibility progression:KBYI 131420Z AUTO 20007KT 1SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC026 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131425Z AUTO 20008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131430Z AUTO 20007KT 2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997. She was descending at 700 / minute. 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Looked for photos of how "recently" roof stacks existed there. The "starter" typo is an immediate and huge tell to everyone with turbine engine knowledge.Searching for "Ice on the rotor and starter blades" finds lots of copy and paste repetitions online of someone's long ago unnoticed autocorrect goof that changed stator to starter. Doing so would eliminate suspicion that there might be cherry picking going on. I believe the approach was unstable, in and out of IMC from JAMID. i blame it on the steam cloud. Other company pilots: "BYI steam is routine, I can land there just fine"7. You are on your own to figure out an appropriate descent angle to keep you clear of the numerous hazardous obstacles on final. The Flight Safety Emergency Checklist Memory Items for an Inadvertent Icing Encounter calls for:(1) Ignition Switch .ON(2) Inertial SeparatorBYPASS (bypasses precipitation past the intake back out in the slipstream)(3) PITOT/STATIC, STALL, WINDSHIELD, PROP, ANTI-ICEONThe FAA/NTSB Safety Investigators hopefully have noted the various switch positions of all the above, whether the Inertial Separator was placed in the BYPASS position, and whether wing flaps were selected.I am not aware of whether this was an older model of Cessna Caravan equipped with legacy round instrument gages and the old booted deice system. There are many approaches just as challenging, that's why you respect the MDA and you do not descend unless the runway is in sight. Main cabin in the Newmar Dutch Star 4081 at Tom Stinnett RV in Clarksville. That's magical thinking to support a flawed theory about busted minimums.The earlier comment just said "short runway", no one said anything about not being able to land a Caravan on it. "typical tuber fandom". is quite a claim. The plant releases huge quantities of hot water vapour through stacks, (industrial chimneys). Verifying that it is the correct stack by mapping the stack coordinates is somewhat of a leap of faith.Let's now work from the 79' and 89' clearances we got from adjusting your calcs by pretending that the nominal FAA elevation numbers were accurate. The pilot made the processing plant a problem by being in IMC, 75' agl 2500' from the runway threshold. Brittney was born on January 31, 1992 in Salmon, Idaho to Sharon and Jim Bob Infanger, their fifth child and second daughter. This entrained air can be warmer than ambient, especially on a cold day. Maybe she saw the snake river and runway but didn't see the stack? This tragic accident highlights the risk of anyone flying in a single engine aircraft over areas with minimal forced landing space. "Your nonsense responses like "false" with zero explanation demonstrates that you have no actual idea what TERPS, an obstacle clearance surface, and approach minimums are. )Investigators have the task of figuring out why the descent angle increased to 6.5 in the final 21 seconds/2,650 feet horizontal travel distance of flight. Personal attacks and hate speech directed at the NTSB investigators, FAA investigators, Designated Pilot Examiners, Kathryn, as well as other members of the aviation blog, are unacceptable because they are not constructive. In all rear-bath floor plans, the 2023 model features a cathedral ceiling, which is a Newmar first. To Anonymous, dated Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:55:00 AM EDTQuestion: What explanation do you have besides your technical dissertation of how to interpret ADS-B data for what occurred besides the broken busted minima mantra? This is a place where we learn what not to do next time. There is no need to conflate the egregious errors in the case of N56KJ. Brittney often told those who had the privilege of flying with her that she never felt closer to heaven than she did when flying. 13,293. What if the circumstances were such that might have overwhelmed any level of experience?Been there, done just about all the above. Strange things happen when you get tired. I believe the stack in question WAS added relatively recently (it is NOT one of the six clustered together, is was by itself on a different part of the roof. As a former freight dog, we had many rules of thumb or personal SOP, and the published current charts, OP Specs, and FARs. Made a first approach over the known obstacles that revealed the circumstances of what is being portrayed as dangerous wall of steam but didn't divert after going missed from the first approach. Her last post on social media read Ive been flying so much lately I think I might be growing wings.. Well-stated, very good bias what-if scenario. Sometimes, a thin coating of ice will form on the windshield, preceded in some instances by frosting. Give it up, she didn't bust minimums she got sucked right into that smokestack by the steam cloud she couldn't get out of in time.This is 100% on the potato plant. This information is added by users of ASN. Comments upthread didn't draw insults to the suggestion that N928JP may have experienced diminishing lift due to contamination accumulation on flight surfaces that built up during two approach attempts in light snow and mist.This part of what you wrote seemed odd, however:"Ice on the rotor and starter blades"Turbine engines have sets of rotor and stator blades. i suggest you read it, and digest it. So if as you are saying she had the runway in sight, why on God's green earth was she 100 feet AGL a half-mile from the runway? Not sure what to say about plate interpretation, but what the pilot sees on flight displays is from a loaded copy of that electronic obstacle database, which is a good thing. She descended out of the clouds and was quickly enveloped in the steam cloud (as witnessed by people on the ground and by surveillance video). I see no conjecture from the original post; only data from flightaware. If the snow flurry intensifies or the tater drying plume is solid and significant such that it's going to have to be descended through or the combined conditions will be imposing loss of visual for a period of time after having sighted the runway at MDA, a go around is the correct response.The accident pilot reportedly was not a first timer to BYI and for all of the NAVAID limitations you mentioned, a divert to Twin Falls (as had been done by whichever pilot was aboard on the day before the accident) was the choice to make if the visibility at the plant wasn't as reported by METAR during the two approach attempts. If she was trading altitude to maintain airspeed after a flameout, seems like it would be important to get an idea of what minimum airspeed should be maintained, knowing that the stacks were ahead.The TL:DR for the details shown below is that she was holding 89/88 knots airspeed in the 30 seconds or so before stack impact compared to 96 knots across the tater plant on 4 April's RW20 approach.If you were the C208 pilot and had adequate visual of the ground so near, would you have shallowed the altitude trade off and accepted a lower airspeed than 88 knots to squeak over the tater plant?------ Backup info ------To provide a reference on judging whether airspeed decayed in a manner different from what she would have flown normally (acknowledging the sink rates reported in the data), compare speeds by looking at the last two captured data points as she turned across the tater plant during the uneventful 4 April approach to RW20:Using track log data from:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220404/1318Z/KSLC/KBYIMon 09:52:44 AM 42.5539 -113.7523 271 83 96 4,675 -385Map pinned location of that data point:http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5539+-113.7523Mon 09:53:05 AM 42.5501 -113.7611 219 87 100 4,475 -571Map pinned location of that data point:http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5501+-113.7611(The 42.5501+-113.7611 location is approx 670 feet closer to the airfield than the struck stack. According to a witness, located about one quarter mile away, he first heard, then observed the airplane descend out of the clouds then immediately went into a steam cloud, which was produced from a set of six smokestacks located on the same roof. 0. Flags in front of City Hall will be lowered to half-staff and a City Council meeting in the new year will be adjourned in honor of Minters service.. Oh, right--where IS the VDP on this approach? If the stacks are putting out a bunch of smoke and steam, I can see how you could easily hit them despite them having red anti-collision lighting (according to the obstacle database at least.). Maybe you thought they were recent because the overhead photo shown on google map imaging is not as recent as street view or the Town News article photos and the red metal structure and yellow ladder wasn't there when the outdated overhead image was taken. I read all the comments. Average descent angle was 9.2 degrees, or a loss of 350' in those last seconds, but the approach seemed unstable from JAMID. If I have it wrong, please correct me. The local city zoning allowed industry to build around the airport, not the feds. Crashed at 8:32 AM. This was not the fault of any tower on the processing plant. The two pilots in the PA-46, and the flight instructor and student pilot in the Cessna 172, were fatally injured. Anyone have the ATC audio? Brittney Infanger was a highly skilled and trusted pilot. After the pilot report established at IREME, the controller cleared the pilot for the approach. A few corrections:1. You have nailed it. One possible cause of a flameout could be the accumulation of ice and snow on the PT-6 turbine compressor section intake screen. I can't tell, from Google Maps, if there is a light for that chimney. It is however possible to experience a flameout and subsequent loss of power under certain conditions. 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